[load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon 22xx, 34xx

[Rubens Kuhl Jr.]

Due to some business issues, one customer has these only two choice
for web-server load-balancing (no SSL acceleration): recycling som
Radware AS II boxes and deploying WS software in them, or buying newe
Alteon boxes

What are the ups and downs of one box against another

Ruben
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[Richard Golding]

[Gopal Maheshwari]

[robert rauch]

Hallo Gopal

where have you heard this and when should this be happening, referring to
support for alteon product rang

reg
rober

Gopal Maheshwari <gm3477 <at> gmail.com> writes



i heard that Nortel is going under major Business Process Re-engineering where
they will capitalize on Voice products which is their strength and reduce the
focus on data products. Nortel is planing to with draw support for Alteon in
near future

�
G Maheshwari�

On 6/26/06, Richard Golding <richard.golding <at> affiniti.com> wrote



I would say these points are debatable

�

·        
Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
�
The Virtual Matrix architecture of the Alteon ensures that the processing is
spread across the multiple on-board processors and not the processor to which
the port on which the traffic is received is assigned to

�
·        
Advanced Application level Intrusion Prevention and DoS protectio
�
Same is possible with additional licence key
�

�
         Integrated Global load balancing solution (no need to purchase
additional unit
that uses
accurate load and proximity measurements (Patented technology) combined with
wide range of redirection methods



�
Again same is possible with additional licence key. No additional hardware is
required


�
�
         Bandwidth management per user/session and the ability to use CBQ
(class Based Queuing) to ensure service levels of time sensitive applications
e.g. VoIP, Video conferencing etc.
�
Possible with additional licence key

�
·        
Load balancing of SIP servers while maintaining session/call persistency �

�
        This is possible with latest software release (v23
�
�


-----Original Message-----From:
owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net [mailto:owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net] On Behalf Of Udi
SegallSent: 22 June 2006 19:4
To: lb-l <at> vegan.netSubject: RE: [load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon
22xx, 34x


Hi
�
Here are some of the advantages of Radware WSD vs. Alteon
�
·        
Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
·        
Advanced Application level Intrusion Prevention and DoS protectio

·        
Integrated Global load balancing solution (no need to purchase additional unit
that uses
accurate load and proximity measurements (Patented technology) combined with
wide range of redirection methods


·        
Bandwidth management per user/session and the ability to use CBQ (class Based
Queuing) to ensure service levels of time sensitive applications
e.g. VoIP, Video conferencing etc.
·        
Load balancing of SIP servers while maintaining session/call persistency �

�
Please let me know if you have any questions
�
Udi
�
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owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net [mailto:owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net] On Behalf Of
Rubens Kuhl Jr.Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:35 P
To: lb-l <at> vegan.netSubject: [load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon 22xx,
34x
�
Due to some business issues, one customer has these only two choice
for web-server load-balancing (no SSL acceleration): recycling som
Radware AS II boxes and deploying WS software in them, or buying newe
Alteon boxes
�
What are the ups and downs of one box against another
�
�
Ruben
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[Jens Brey]

This point is not 100% correct. This is right, for the old AD3/AD
platform, but not for the Cheetah Platform (AAS-xxxx)

On the Cheetah platform, you have some design limitations, which wil
reduce the throughput (some Gig ports are internally connected with pc
which will limit the throughput)

And you have two Dual Core CPUs for the complete processing (i thin
it's two BCM 1250) and not two asics per port (old AD3/AD4)

Regards,

Jens Brey

Am Montag, den 26.06.2006, 13:34 +0100 schrieb Richard Golding

Post by robert rauch
I would say these points are debatable
· Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
The Virtual Matrix architecture of the Alteon ensures that th
processing is spread across the multiple on-board processors and no
the processor to which the port on which the traffic is received i
assigned to

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[Andrew Cook]

Ah, I love some healthy speculation and vendor bashing (general comment, no
in response to Jens). This list has been too quiet for too long.. ;-

We work closely with a number of vendors including Nortel and F5, and som
of the others as opportunities present, so I really get to have a chuckl
when I see these righteous discussions of "which vendor is best"..
haven't seen much in the market that doesn't have some form of desig
limitations either..

So my $.0
So Cheetah doesn't have ASICs per port... ASICs were cool when everyone els
only had (has? ;-) slow single/central Intel CPUs. But if you want grea
L4-7 performance, you need something smarter, faster, and distributed. Th
dual BCM1250s (each with dual processing) are *way* quicker than the ol
Tigon ASICs ever were. Does that mean that you can't run VMA across 4 reall
quick processors interlinked with a 128GBps Hypertransport bus? I don'
think so..

I've had the opportunity to run these boxes really hard in a number o
customer environments; hard enough that the suggested "design limitations
in the LB were the least of my worries... 8-

In closing, each of the vendors has their preferred architecture an
implementation specifics, yet the brochureware all seems to be very similar
IMHO, the preferred solution simply comes down to matching the customer'
(or your's) requirements to a known viable solution - and there seem to be
few out there...

Cheers

Andre

Andrew Cook - Principal Consultan
Smartworx - creating synergies between networks and applications
65 Hume Street, Crows Nest. NSW. 2065 Australi
t: [phone] f: [phone] m: [phone]
email: ***@smartworx.net.au web: www.smartworx.net.a

-----Original Message----
From: owner-lb-***@vegan.net [mailto:owner-lb-***@vegan.net] On Behalf Of Jen
Bre
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:17 P
To: lb-***@vegan.ne
Subject: RE: [load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon 22xx, 34x

This point is not 100% correct. This is right, for the old AD3/AD4 platform
but not for the Cheetah Platform (AAS-xxxx)

On the Cheetah platform, you have some design limitations, which will reduc
the throughput (some Gig ports are internally connected with pci which wil
limit the throughput)

And you have two Dual Core CPUs for the complete processing (i think it'
two BCM 1250) and not two asics per port (old AD3/AD4)

Regards,

Jens Brey

Am Montag, den 26.06.2006, 13:34 +0100 schrieb Richard Golding

Post by robert rauch
I would say these points are debatable
. Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
The Virtual Matrix architecture of the Alteon ensures that the
processing is spread across the multiple on-board processors and not
the processor to which the port on which the traffic is received is
assigned to

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[Jens Brey]

Hi Andrew

i didn't say, that VMA is not possible on the Cheetah platfrom. I onl
say, that the VMA processing is a other as on the AD3/AD4 platform ;)

In my experience, the Cheetah platform is about 4-5 times faster as, th
old AD3/AD4 platform ;)

You can't compare the tigon asics with the bcm's, because the bcm's ar
network processors and not a simple asic ;

Parsing a URL in an HTTP Packet
NPU: 60 Cycle
ASIC/RISC: 400 Cycle

Searching URL Tables
NPU: 6 Cycle
ASIC/RISC: 200 Cycle

And you're right, with your comment, that the design limitations in th
LB were the least of youre worries... Me too... i had'n some mor
problems with bugs in the WebOS :

Have fun

Jen



Am Donnerstag, den 29.06.2006, 12:36 +1000 schrieb Andrew Cook

Post by Andrew Cook
Ah, I love some healthy speculation and vendor bashing (general comment, no
in response to Jens). This list has been too quiet for too long.. ;-
We work closely with a number of vendors including Nortel and F5, and som
of the others as opportunities present, so I really get to have a chuckl
when I see these righteous discussions of "which vendor is best"..
haven't seen much in the market that doesn't have some form of desig
limitations either..
So my $.0
So Cheetah doesn't have ASICs per port... ASICs were cool when everyone els
only had (has? ;-) slow single/central Intel CPUs. But if you want grea
L4-7 performance, you need something smarter, faster, and distributed. Th
dual BCM1250s (each with dual processing) are *way* quicker than the ol
Tigon ASICs ever were. Does that mean that you can't run VMA across 4 reall
quick processors interlinked with a 128GBps Hypertransport bus? I don'
think so..
I've had the opportunity to run these boxes really hard in a number o
customer environments; hard enough that the suggested "design limitations
in the LB were the least of my worries... 8-
In closing, each of the vendors has their preferred architecture an
implementation specifics, yet the brochureware all seems to be very similar
IMHO, the preferred solution simply comes down to matching the customer'
(or your's) requirements to a known viable solution - and there seem to be
few out there...
Cheers
Andre
Andrew Cook - Principal Consultan
Smartworx - creating synergies between networks and applications
65 Hume Street, Crows Nest. NSW. 2065 Australi
t: [phone] f: [phone] m: [phone]
-----Original Message----
Bre
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:17 P
Subject: RE: [load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon 22xx, 34x
This point is not 100% correct. This is right, for the old AD3/AD4 platform
but not for the Cheetah Platform (AAS-xxxx)
On the Cheetah platform, you have some design limitations, which will reduc
the throughput (some Gig ports are internally connected with pci which wil
limit the throughput)
And you have two Dual Core CPUs for the complete processing (i think it'
two BCM 1250) and not two asics per port (old AD3/AD4)
Regards,
Jens Brey
Am Montag, den 26.06.2006, 13:34 +0100 schrieb Richard Golding

Post by robert rauch
I would say these points are debatable
. Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
The Virtual Matrix architecture of the Alteon ensures that the
processing is spread across the multiple on-board processors and not
the processor to which the port on which the traffic is received is
assigned to

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[Jens Brey]

On monday, i speaked with someone from nortel. I asked him, that he hav
heared something about the next generation of alteons
He told me, that he has nothing heared, but at the moment, nortel work
on a facelift of the cheetah platform (more memory and som
corrections)

Regs

Jen

Am Mittwoch, den 28.06.2006, 09:55 +0000 schrieb robert rauch

Post by robert rauch
Hallo Gopal
where have you heard this and when should this be happening, referring to
support for alteon product rang
reg
rober
Gopal Maheshwari <gm3477 <at> gmail.com> writes
i heard that Nortel is going under major Business Process Re-engineering where
they will capitalize on Voice products which is their strength and reduce the
focus on data products. Nortel is planing to with draw support for Alteon in
near future
G Maheshwari
I would say these points are debatable
·
Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
The Virtual Matrix architecture of the Alteon ensures that the processing is
spread across the multiple on-board processors and not the processor to which
the port on which the traffic is received is assigned to
·
Advanced Application level Intrusion Prevention and DoS protectio
Same is possible with additional licence key
�
Integrated Global load balancing solution (no need to purchase additional unit
that uses
accurate load and proximity measurements (Patented technology) combined with
wide range of redirection methods
Again same is possible with additional licence key. No additional hardware is
required
�
Bandwidth management per user/session and the ability to use CBQ
(class Based Queuing) to ensure service levels of time sensitive applications
e.g. VoIP, Video conferencing etc.
Possible with additional licence key
·
Load balancing of SIP servers while maintaining session/call persistency
This is possible with latest software release (v23
owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net [mailto:owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net] On Behalf Of Udi
SegallSent: 22 June 2006 19:4
To: lb-l <at> vegan.netSubject: RE: [load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon
22xx, 34x
Hi
Here are some of the advantages of Radware WSD vs. Alteon
·
Non-blocking architecture which allows wire speed switching
·
Advanced Application level Intrusion Prevention and DoS protectio
·
Integrated Global load balancing solution (no need to purchase additional unit
that uses
accurate load and proximity measurements (Patented technology) combined with
wide range of redirection methods
·
Bandwidth management per user/session and the ability to use CBQ (class Based
Queuing) to ensure service levels of time sensitive applications
e.g. VoIP, Video conferencing etc.
·
Load balancing of SIP servers while maintaining session/call persistency
Please let me know if you have any questions
Udi
owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net [mailto:owner-lb-l <at> vegan.net] On Behalf Of
Rubens Kuhl Jr.Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:35 P
To: lb-l <at> vegan.netSubject: [load balancing] Radware WSD x Alteon 22xx,
34x
Due to some business issues, one customer has these only two choice
for web-server load-balancing (no SSL acceleration): recycling som
Radware AS II boxes and deploying WS software in them, or buying newe
Alteon boxes
What are the ups and downs of one box against another
Ruben
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